Recomended story for everyone.

[lindafishes8]

A story called "Back in the USSR Comrade" by gm

A good breakfast and a serious conversation between Napoleon and Illya.
Will Illya be recalled to Russia? Read and discover the answer.

Oh, and Illya corroborates with The Beatles on the song "Back in the USSR."

www.solosojourn.com/unussr.html

Paul McCartney — Back In The USSR (Live in Kiev 2008)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrtnnLor2UM

@темы: фанфики

Comments

[NikaDimm]

Well, I read it. And it made me wonder. What will you think of Napoleon who is eager to leave US because of Illya and come to Russia with him - permanently? So as not to find himself on opposite sides with Illya in case of war?

[lindafishes8]

Well, I read it. And it made me wonder. What will you think of Napoleon who is eager to leave US because of Illya and come to Russia with him - permanently? So as not to find himself on opposite sides with Illya in case of war?

NikaDimm

Napoleon was not eager to leave the US. He didn't want Illya to leave. He was afraid that Illya would be recalled and have to go back and they would be fighting against each other. (A very bad scenario)

[mrK]

Thank you for recommendation. It will be something to read.

[NikaDimm]

lindafishes8,

Napoleon was not eager to leave the US. He didn't want Illya to leave. He was afraid that Illya would be recalled and have to go back and they would be fighting against each other. (A very bad scenario)

OK. He was not eager. But let's just suppose that Illya says:

- Napoleon, I am torn apart. I have made another long-term commitment beyond UNCLE since I’ve been here. That is more important to me. It commands my loyalty more than the organization and more than my homeland. But there is one other thing which is still very important to me. In the USSR military service is obligatory for all able men in case of war. Seven generations of men in my family - all I can trace back in family history actually - were serving in the army. My great-great-grandfather was wounded at Borodino at the age of 17. My grandfather was killed in World War I. My father fought in World War II. If the war starts and I stay here in the US - I will desert army service. I can't become a deserter, you wan't be able to respect me after this, I can't respect myself if I do it. But in the US military service is voluntary. You don't have to go to the army in case of war. So why don't we go to Russia together? For the sake of our mutual committment to each other. And please believe me, my influence will be enough to let KGB off you, nobody will force you to give out any military secrets. Well, you don't know any military secrets anyway, since you've been with UNCLE all these years. But still. Nobody will force you to make any statesments or harm your country in any way. Will you do it - come to Russia with me - so that we don't break our bond to each other?

And Napoleon: - Oh, that's a good idea. Yes, that is what we will do. If you are summoned back to Russia I will go with you. Because you are more important to me than living in New York and an opportunity to drink good whiskey. If the war starts New York will become a radioactive desert anyway so I have nothing to lose.

Illya: - Yes, I am glad you took this decision.


What will you think of such a story?

[NikaDimm]

lindafishes8,

well, maybe I shd apologise: I often make short side-stories to fics I read, changing the way characters answer or behave. I know some people don't like the fics to be twisted out like that, but when I get drawn by a particular fic I am not able to restrain from this and so I write another side-story )) If you dislike the idea please just ignore my previous comment

[Лимбо]

Я не знаю, что тут можно сказать. Это не Илья и это "is not the Russian way ".
И Илье незачем было тайно переправлять посылки с пластинками, за песни не сажали и не наказывали.

[NikaDimm]

Лимбо,

наверно, вопрос в том, что автор не видит в этом предательства. Ну, родился человек в одной стране, живёт в другой, а выйдет на пенсию - переедет в третью, что такого? А если вот-вот начнётся война, можно сбежать в четвёртую. Это для нас сдохнуть от ностальгии страшно, а пойти добровольцем в случае войны - нормально

Сорри, я отвечала на реплику про нелюбовь к предателям, но она исчезла.

[Лимбо]

NikaDimm, видимо да, автор не понимает, что тут не так. Я несколько изменила свой первоначальный комментарий. Побоялась быть слишком резкой. И так-то сложно друга друга понять, а тут еще тема больная и, блин, актуальная.

Кстати о том, что СССР не примет назад агента, который пожил на Западе, потому что он "разложился". Уже не первый раз такое читаю Забавно. Агенты десятилетиями жили в других странах, но при необходимости возвращались домой.

[coffeplant]

Лимбо, Наказывали не за песни, а за контрабанду и спекуляцию)

[NikaDimm]

Лимбо,

Кстати о том, что СССР не примет назад агента, который пожил на Западе, потому что он "разложился". Уже не первый раз такое читаю Забавно. Агенты десятилетиями жили в других странах, но при необходимости возвращались домой.

А дипломатов и журналистов-международников по этой логике должны были расстреливать прямо в зале прилёта Шереметьево-2.

Возможно, те, кто переходили на другую сторону, обосновывали это тем, что они боятся возвращаться в СССР. Чтобы получить статус политэмигранта и все причитающиеся к нему бонусы. Вот и осталось как стереотип.

[NikaDimm]

А вот идея про Back in the USSR мне понравилась, эта песня у меня как раз ассоциируется с Ильёй

[Лимбо]

Наказывали не за песни, а за контрабанду и спекуляцию)

ну да, за это наказывали, но пластинки "для себя" тем более сотруднику КГБ никто не мешал привозить.

[Лимбо]

Возможно, те, кто переходили на другую сторону, обосновывали это тем, что они боятся возвращаться в СССР. Чтобы получить статус политэмигранта и все причитающиеся к нему бонусы. Вот и осталось как стереотип.

скорее всего так и есть.

Ох, боюсь, напугаем мы снова нашу заокеанскую кузину, а этого бы не хотелось совершенно.

Кстати, где-то в недрах общения она рекламировала еще один фик: что-то про игру Ильи на гитаре, а я его посеяла, никто не помнит, где это было?

[NikaDimm]

Лимбо,

Кстати, где-то в недрах общения она рекламировала еще один фик: что-то про игру Ильи на гитаре, а я его посеяла, никто не помнит, где это было?

ссылка на фик

А было это в комментах к моему посту о песнях для Ильи, вот здесь: rumuncle.diary.ru/p206582249.htm#697594635

[coffeplant]

Лимбо,

но пластинки "для себя" тем более сотруднику КГБ никто не мешал привозить.

Угу. Если он не контейнерами их привозил)))
Вообще же году в 1968м власти старательно игнорили все, что было связано с роком (и это на фоне обилия клешей, рок-групп, и т.п.) в этому же году, кстати, была напечатана первая позитивная статья про Битлов.

[Лимбо]

Вообще же году в 1968м власти старательно игнорили все, что было связано с роком (и это на фоне обилия клешей, рок-групп, и т.п.) в этому же году, кстати, была напечатана первая позитивная статья про Битлов.

вот-вот. Мои родители тогда только поженились и они спокойно Битлов слушали и сами и с друзьми, хотя были очень далеки от всяких "прозападных" тусовок.

NikaDimm, спасибо пойду все-таки прочту.

[NikaDimm]

Мои родители тогда только поженились и они спокойно Битлов слушали и сами и с друзьми, хотя были очень далеки от всяких "прозападных" тусовок.

Катушечный магнитофон "Комета" и записи Битлов и Смоки... I'll meet you at Midnight до сих пор любимая песня

[NikaDimm]

Ох, люди, я очень сорри, и обычно я терпеть не могу любой сентиментальный пафос, даже в таком исполнении как Бернес (мне у него больше всего нравится "Тёмная ночь"). Но тут что-то пробило, может, ещё и потому, что мальчишки на фотографиях примерно ровесники Ильи.

там "С чего начинается родина" в исполнении Марка Бернеса

[lindafishes8]

Let's just But suppose that Illya says: - Napoleon, I am torn apart. I have made another long-term commitment beyond UNCLE since I've been here. That is more important to me. My loyalty commands It more than the organization and more than my homeland.

NikaDimm,

I think yours story is excellent and certainly basis for a fanfic. You should write it up and publish it in Fanfiction.net ro Ao3. It is a very real possibility that Illya was loyal to Russia and would want to go back if recalled.There are other stories I have read in fanfiction where Illya does return to Russia.

But in the US military service is voluntary. You do not have to go to the army in case of war. So why do not we go to Russia together?

During a time of war, the US enforces a draft in the US. Men are called to service and it is mandatory that they go. My brother was drafted to serve in the Vietnam war.

[lindafishes8]

There is "What begins Motherland" performed by Mark Bernes

NikaDimm

Would you mind if I post this song to LJ? I am sure members would enjoy it. I know I do. I can imagine one of the children in this vid could be Illya.
I know of a story where Illa goes to war with his father when he was 7 or 8 years old. He learns to make bombs and helps in the war effort.

[NikaDimm]

lindafishes8,

You should write it up and publish it in Fanfiction.net ro Ao3.

Well, for me it's a gross Out Of Character for both of them. I can sketch a short dialogue but would not like to write seriously about one of them betraying his country on the verge of war, either Illya or Napoleon. They are both too good for that, they never broke under THRASH pressure, and what is given in that fic is a typical honeytrap, though based on fostering friendship and not on falling in love. This kind of trap is too cheap for any one of them. In fact any trap is too cheap for these two.

Now if we are discussing dark!Illya or dark!Napoleon that's a different thing. But then again it's more natural for dark!character to defeat to THRASH. The dark side always offers more cookies )))

[NikaDimm]

lindafishes8,

There are other stories I have read in fanfiction where Illya does return to Russia.

*laughing* Yes, that's the one that I am thinking over right now. How Illya comes back to Russia for vacation and... and he is allowed to take Napoleon with him, and to introduce him to his friends back in Russia. And how Napoleon tries applejack and listens to Russian songs (but not to balalaikas! oh no) and gets acquinted with Illya's former girlfriend and even helps them to get together again. And then when they have just 5 days left and plan to go to sea resort - THRUSH starts another evil plan and they are called back to service

Would you mind if I post this song to LJ? I am sure members would enjoy it. I know I do. I can imagine one of the children in this vid could be Illya.

Of course you can post it. I am not sure if those photos are documentary but there were cases of teenagers fighting in the war. They were called "Son of regiment" because mostly they were orphans who lost their parents in the war

[coffeplant]

lindafishes8, вы видели этот фильм? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan%27s_Childhood Думаю, вам он был бы интересен.

[lindafishes8]

lindafishes8, have you seen this movie? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan%27s_Childhood I think you it would have been interesting.

coffeplant, coffeplant,

coffeplant,

No I have not, but it looks very interesting. Thanks for the rec.

[coffeplant]

lindafishes8, you are welcome)))
I found it with english subs
youtu.be/X-cOMy9k-6s

[Лимбо]

lindafishes8,

Это перевод песни из видео, которое вы хотели разместить в LJ

What's a beginning of the Motherland ?

What's a beginning of the Motherland ?
It begins with a picture in your ABC-book;
With your good and true friends,
Living in a neighboring yard.

Or maybe it begins
With those songs that the mother sang to us;
With those things, that in any tests
No one cannot take away from us.

What's a beginning of the Motherland ?...
It begins with the cherished bench near our gate;
With this little birch tree that in a field
Grows, bending in the winds.

Or maybe it begins
With the first spring song of starling,
And with this country road
That looks like endless one.

What's a beginning of the Motherland ?...
It begins with windows, shining in the distance;
With the father's old Budenovka
That we found somewhere in our closet.

Or maybe it begins
With a sound of railroad wagon wheels,
And with an oath to it, that in the youth
You've taken deep in your heart.

What's a beginning of the Motherland ? ...

[Лимбо]

This kind of trap is too cheap for any one of them. In fact any trap is too cheap for these two.

вот поэтому меня очень смущает сцена сожжения диска в ребуте. Наполеон у Риче не страдает особенным патриотизмом, но для Ильи это доложен был быть ужасный выбор между убийством друга (ладно, лично я считаю, что к тому времени безнадежно влюбился) и предательством.

[lindafishes8]

lindafishes8, This is a translation of the song from the video that you want to place in LJ

Limbaugh

Someone wanted the translation so I came here to ask for it and found you had already posted it here. You are the BEST! Thanks you very much. I have just posted the lyrics on LJ Scrapbook. I like the lyrics very much. Good, good people here.

[lindafishes8]

you are welcome))) I found it with english subs youtu.be/X-cOMy9k-6s

coffeplant

Yes, I found it also. I will watch it this evening when I have time. I have to tell you, I am growing a coffee plant in my home. I hope to get coffee berries next year. ;D

[coffeplant]

lindafishes8,

I have to tell you, I am growing a coffee plant in my home. I hope to get coffee berries next year.

Cool)))